John Lennox is the famous and brilliant Oxford mathematician and Christian apologist. David Rubin is the famous and brilliant web radio host and child of a conservative Jewish home.
What on earth might two guys of such different backgrounds have to talk about for an hour? Well, what could be more important than the question that has been center stage in Western culture ever since Nietzsche declared that “God is dead.”
This is an hour-long conversation, but I hope you will get yourself a cup of java, sit down somewhere quiet and give this delightful, stimulating and instructive conversation between two really smart, funny and honest guys your attention on this first Saturday of December 2019.
Here are a couple of samples of each man’s take on the issues at hand, issues that are directly relevant to everybody involved in the making and shaping of laws for this wonderful country of ours.
“I’m always interested in the phrase ‘God is dead’ because it seems to assume that He was alive once,” Lennox observes in his wonderful Northern Ireland brogue.
“And of course, I hear [atheist] Richard Dawkins kind of say ‘which god,’ and I think that’s a question worth addressing because the God that I believe in, the God of the Bible, is eternal and that means there’s problems for the deadness, doesn’t it?
“There is a sense in which Nietzsche was a very accurate profit and what to my mind is very important with him is or was that he could see what many contemporary atheists cannot see, that if you abolish God, you wipe the ground under any solidity on which you can base any morality, human dignity, freedom, all those values.”
And now, Rubin:
“I think as politics and the media and social media and the fact that we’re all walking around with a phone in our pockets that has the world’s knowledge and you can connect with somebody literally across the world in a split second, I think we have no idea how this information orgy, I think we have no idea how it’s affecting our brains, our ability to think clearly about things.
“I mean, it’s doing wondrous things, we’re all here because of this, this is a podcast, we’re disseminating this through the digital world. This is incredible, but it has also destabilized, sort of basic beliefs …
“But just very briefly, on the underpinning of some sort of belief that can lead to freedom … think about the founding documents of this country, that I think are the greatest man-written documents, political documents at least, and what did the Founders say, they said these are God-given rights, they are self-evident, we did not give you these rights. We can protect these things, but we can’t give them to you because they came from somewhere else.”